Is there any kind of updated list of what's generally bm or not?
Why do people care about life/sockets on +5-6 bo helms, they don't actually use them right? Is prebuff considered super bm for some reason?
Is psn damage bm? Should I go for 451s if I do or do most people use 3xx?
Is there any kind of definitive opinions on mastery lifers vs. max lifers?
Are mana pots bm/why if so?
Are minor skimping to save money going to kill me? Ie: 38/396 grief instead of 40/400 (don't like the dupes, cheaper) 20/248 Raven instead of 250, 3/15/18 type charms instead of 3/20/20s, etc.
Is FHR utterly useless? For BVA I have 2 10/7x/12fhrs, and a 3x 3/x/5fhrs. Are these gonna have to be replaced?
I've read that you need CBF and you don't...which is it?|||Quote:
Hi guys, returning player from 09 / 1.10 here, I play on west ladder and my current favorite pvp character is a BvA. I do occasionally get some bvbs in and it's fun, so I want to do that when it picks up later in ladder. So if anyone who knows this stuff doesn't mind being barraged with questions, or can link me to a fairly up-to-date guide, here goes.
Is there any kind of updated list of what's generally bm or not?
Why do people care about life/sockets on +5-6 bo helms, they don't actually use them right? Is prebuff considered super bm for some reason?
Is psn damage bm? Should I go for 451s if I do or do most people use 3xx?
There's a BvB ladder on jsp. The rules are clear. No prebuffs of any kind, no poison
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Is there any kind of definitive opinions on mastery lifers vs. max lifers?
For overall balance, damage/ar/lifers are preferred. Skill charms yield no benefits over those.
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Are mana pots bm/why if so?
Never is mana BM
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Are minor skimping to save money going to kill me? Ie: 38/396 grief instead of 40/400 (don't like the dupes, cheaper) 20/248 Raven instead of 250, 3/15/18 type charms instead of 3/20/20s, etc.
It's always a safe play to avoid dupes. If I ever get something perfect, I always try to have a back-up plan, keeping the weaker items stashed...just in case.
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Is FHR utterly useless? For BVA I have 2 10/7x/12fhrs, and a 3x 3/x/5fhrs. Are these gonna have to be replaced?
For BvB strictly speaking FHR is indeed utterly useless.
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I've read that you need CBF and you don't...which is it?
There is no need for CBF in shielded ww BvB, but I do use a cold sc time to time. Really it's just annoying and I stash it usually. Helps no one to freeze or be frozen really. I only like it because it's easier to see when u get a hit.
Furthermore, ravens are out. angelic rings an ammy is the best choice for the AR bonus. At least do yourself a favor and don't build your barb around the dex of ravens.
Edit: I was thinking stricktly BvB wise - re-reading I see you like BvA? Since BvA is a BvB/BvC combo, It might be interesting for you to check this solid BvC guide for some info as well:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=608622|||Quote:
There's a BvB ladder on jsp. The rules are clear. No prebuffs of any kind, no poison
For overall balance, damage/ar/lifers are preferred. Skill charms yield no benefits over those.
Never is mana BM
Furthermore, ravens are out. angelic rings an ammy is the best choice for the AR bonus. At least do yourself a favor and don't build your barb around the dex of ravens.
Edit: I was thinking stricktly BvB wise - re-reading I see you like BvA? Since BvA is a BvB/BvC combo, It might be interesting for you to check this solid BvC guide for some info as well:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=608622
Could I get a link to the ladder rules? Google not helpin me.
I asked about that & Mana because I read a bvb thread on here that mentioned having to concentrate when barbs run oom, having to wear mana scs, etc, as well as saying most barbs used lots of psn. It was from some tourney.
I do BvA right now, and I'm fairly successful at that, I just don't think I could take a bva built character into serious bvb and win. I do have the problem with building around non-angelics...raven's and +20 str fcr ring = switching to angelics loses my block and will str bug me. I'll definitely have to fix that if I want to hit good bvbs, although it hasn't been a problem so far.
Edit: Also, the 5-5.5k hp I'm seeing tossed around is using the actual dueling gear + a bo switch only? Can't imagine getting up to that when I'm taking out 30 more vita, even if I were to get a bunch of godly charms. (upgrading all my charms to perfs would only be +218 hp pre-bo).|||Quote:
Why do people care about life/sockets on +5-6 bo helms, they don't actually use them right? Is prebuff considered super bm for some reason?
prebuffing is considered BM. prebuffing is "defined" as returning to the stash after casting BC/BO/Shout.
so if you have a +5 BO hat that you actually wear while duelling, go wild. but no shuffling gear once BO is cast.
the main reasons this is considered BM is 1: you force people to wait for you to prebuff between duels and 2: the duel can come down to who has the better prebuff gear, not who has the better build.
this goes double for use of Enchant charges. use of Enchant should be saved for smashing Hammerdins in pub games while wearing a highlords and 2x Ravens.
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Is psn damage bm? Should I go for 451s if I do or do most people use 3xx?
yes, poison is considered by many to be BM. it's also pretty much useless seeing as most opponents will simply load up on Antidote pots and nerf your inventory for a modest outlay of gold.
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Is there any kind of definitive opinions on mastery lifers vs. max lifers?
Mastery/Lifers are for BvBs who are chasing insane amounts of defence. they can work.
however, max/ar/lifers and ar/lifers are by and large the preffered charmsets.
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Are mana pots bm/why if so?
mana pots are in very widespread use. personally, i kind of like the no-mana duels and i used to carry a big mana/life GC in my stash for such duels.
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Are minor skimping to save money going to kill me? Ie: 38/396 grief instead of 40/400 (don't like the dupes, cheaper) 20/248 Raven instead of 250, 3/15/18 type charms instead of 3/20/20s, etc
no, using close-but-not-quite perfect gear won't cost you too many wins. some decent whirl strategies can easily overcome minor deficits in gear.
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I've read that you need CBF and you don't...which is it?
CBF isn't needed in straight bvb duels. but carrying a raven can be a good idea in pub games.
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For overall balance, damage/ar/lifers are preferred. Skill charms yield no benefits over those.
as noted, some barbs carry some Mastery/Lifer GCs for huge defence builds and they can be reasonably effective.
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Edit: Also, the 5-5.5k hp I'm seeing tossed around is using the actual dueling gear + a bo switch only? Can't imagine getting up to that when I'm taking out 30 more vita, even if I were to get a bunch of godly charms. (upgrading all my charms to perfs would only be +218 hp pre-bo).
5k hitpoints is acheivable by Sacred Fort barbs.
my barb has 6k life. i (i use a regular, non-up'd arreats)|||Quote:
5k hitpoints is acheivable by Sacred Fort barbs.
my barb has 6k life. i (i use a regular, non-up'd arreats)
What level is 6k at, and is that with mostly 20 life charms as opposed to grand charms? I'm at 5249 right now (lvl 90, 9 grand charm setup), and I can only squeak maybe 70 more +life out of my charm set up, not to mention I need to respec and lose 30 vita, so -120 before bo :/|||lvl95.
i use mostly ar/life or max/ar/life scs and two 10max/40+ life GCs.
fyi: in HLD BvB, you really need to level as high as you can stomach. level differences can make a HUGE difference in duels.|||Quote:
lvl95.
i use mostly ar/life or max/ar/life scs and two 10max/40+ life GCs.
fyi: in HLD BvB, you really need to level as high as you can stomach. level differences can make a HUGE difference in duels.
Yea I am planning to get him to at least 94 hopefully, just putting it off because ugh...
Right now I have a total of +459 hp from charms. Perfect would be 605 with gcs or 740 with sc but that'd be ridiculously expensive charms.
If I went up to SA fort instead of etooth his hp would get even lower
|||Quote:Could I get a link to the ladder rules? Google not helpin me.
http://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=147
I don't think we've had a separate dueling ladder in this forum tho. But i usually prefer this forum for it's moderation.
Took me lvl98 to break 6k with SA fort. Thats a ton of scs also.
(most cannot without a pair of ed%/str/dex jewels)
Cool thing now is you can respec and try new things, or when you get better items -lov it.
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I don't think we've had a separate dueling ladder in this forum tho. But i usually prefer this forum for it's moderation.
Took me lvl98 to break 6k with SA fort. Thats a ton of scs also.
(most cannot without a pair of ed%/str/dex jewels)
Cool thing now is you can respec and try new things, or when you get better items -lov it.
Is a str/dex jewel in SS better than Eld? I'm not sure how much dex saved Eld actually ends up being.
And yeah, I woulda given up if not for respec, I've changed way too many things.
Edit: Any up to date commentary on the armor debate? Tooth vs Fort etc. Are OW barbs competetive in bvb tourneys or is it a clearly inferior but interesting build?|||Quote:
Is a str/dex jewel in SS better than Eld? I'm not sure how much dex saved Eld actually ends up being.
Eld will save 17-18 pts in dex depending on lvl. 30%ed/9/9 jewel trumps it for the ED%, but that jewel might be more useful for SA. If I was going light I would consider 40%ed/9dex or a rare combo with -15 req depending on how light. Jewels do not make or break IMO but are chosen on taste often. I think Eld is a fairly good choice for BvA.
good calc: http://www.baroatatnsbazaar.invisionzone.com/ppr/
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And yeah, I woulda given up if not for respec, I've changed way too many things.
Edit: Any up to date commentary on the armor debate? Tooth vs Fort etc. Are OW barbs competetive in bvb tourneys or is it a clearly inferior but interesting build?
I think we've seen gg tooths, butI haven't met up with a Tooth build that betters SA Fort builds, not that they don't exist.
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