Frenzy weapons for pvm + UT

hello all

I am building a frenzy barb, and trying to decide among the weapons. Currently (lvl80) using grief pb + lawbringer pb, and i see they dont exactly do wonders in general pvm, so I doubt they will be enough in UT. Spankeh's guide indicated they will, so I must be doing something wrong...

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=540653

Anyway I am going for the life tap option I guess (when in UT) and was thinking of choosing botd + death initially in phase blades, to reach easily the 5fpa breakpoint and to avoid repair costs. I am having second thoughts on that, an thinking of making griefPB + EdeathCS at the 5.5fpa breakpoint.

Outfit:

arreat 196/6 (planning socket 15ias jewel)

highlord or metalgrid

fortitude with prebuff fade from a treachery (currently using ebug prudence)

draculs (currently loh)

string of ears or norsferatu (depends in weapons and ias breakpoints)

natalya boots (or 3-res or goreriders)

ravenfrost + rare AR,str,ll,res@

Weapons:

currently: grief pb + lawbringer pb

planning for (botd + death) or (grief + death)



I am mainly interested in ubering with this barb. Please share your opinions on RuneWord choices, base weapon, and maybe some changes in the total outfit.



Thnx in advance |||My favourite weapon for UT was Azure. It helps a lot vs mages and vampires. Anyway I always open portal in solo game then damage could be lower then in game with 8 players.

I've triedaxes EBOTD + LW or Beast + LW and it wass big mistake. Multiple auras + courses colapsed game very often. With swords I've used Grief + death or even Oath and Azure. I've found Azure most comfortable. Maybe I must hit Ubers few times more then with high damage weapons, but it was much more easy and "comfortable". Skelies and vampires did not disturb me.

As a armor best choice is always CoH (ED is usually the same as Forti - damage vs demons + str). Guiliame + Gores had enough CB. Draculs as a life tap source.

BTW my cheapest Uber barb was made with maces Black + Passion, Lionheart armor, Marrows as a Life Tap source - It was hard but possible |||LW + Grief is pretty much the ultimate cheese. (IN PB's)

EBOTD + EDEATH is much stronger though. (IN AXES)

Always go gores for boots, drac's are used for ubers and LOH for general pvm.

Azure is always fun to use |||thnx for your reply shuy

Azurewrath looks nice indeed ias, lots of non physical dmg, sactuary and no conflict with life tap

By doing this though, you need to use guillaume + gores to get 50%cb. so what happens to your resists? arreat fact gives 30@ +2skills to natural resists. do you prebuff fade with a treachery?

where are your resists with mephs coviction?

on the papers, when using death i'll get the same cb (50%), and more dmg. off hand weapon so no extra ias should be needed. And i'll get to use arreat, and 3res boots, or gores to get 75%cb.

how does this sound? very curious about your resists.

thnx in advance



EDIT:

hello nurman wouldn't the pb limit the LW damage potential? initially planned to do all in pb, but this thing made me wonder...



EDIT2:

on second thought about the gores, LW + death gives 110%+ cb, prevent monster heal, so 10%open wounds + 15% deadly strike are so important? ok, deadly strike can be, but ow? i will have prevent monster heal. so? thnx again |||The grief takes care of all your damage problems, LW is there for the gravy mods like Might, the CB and the LT. PB is there because of 2 reasons. First are the massive repair costs and second is the fact that if it is in a CB, the fact that it has a range of 2, will make your main-hand grief pb miss hits.

Also, death & lw both make a great offhand weapons, but they suck together.

Also, the reason why dual CB's suck is that first of all, pb has the -30 ias and grief has the minimum of 30ias. That and the fact that Frenzy only checks your main hand for the ias.|||Quote:








EDIT2:

on second thought about the gores, LW + death gives 110%+ cb, prevent monster heal, so 10%open wounds + 15% deadly strike are so important? ok, deadly strike can be, but ow? i will have prevent monster heal. so? thnx again




PMH does not affect the ubers. You need poison damage or open wounds.|||wow, if i combine weapons with different rangeadder, I miss hits? that sucks! totally! thnx for the most useful heads up!!!!

Initially my plan was botd pb + death pb, but since both give indestructible, I thought I could benefit from the extra dmg of

eth botd cb + eth death cs

this way, 60%ias form botd and 20% from higlord, will get me to 5.5fpa, and no reapair costs. btw, what about the cube recipe? it takes an ort to totally repair a weapon. Do they break that fast?

Plan b:

Grief pb + death pb

I already got a grief pb (35% ias) so if i combine it with a death pb will it be enough for the ubers? And I do hit the last ias breakpoint with dual pbs |||Death and Beast Berserker Axes reaches max Frenzy BP alone (lvl9 fana aura on beast)

Your gear is enough for UT anyway, but dont forget Fade prebuff|||Quote:








thnx for your reply shuy

Azurewrath looks nice indeed ias, lots of non physical dmg, sactuary and no conflict with life tap

By doing this though, you need to use guillaume + gores to get 50%cb. so what happens to your resists? arreat fact gives 30@ +2skills to natural resists. do you prebuff fade with a treachery?

where are your resists with mephs coviction?

on the papers, when using death i'll get the same cb (50%), and more dmg. off hand weapon so no extra ias should be needed. And i'll get to use arreat, and 3res boots, or gores to get 75%cb.

how does this sound? very curious about your resists.

thnx in advance




I have not character for ubers in this ladder then I do not remember all my equip (rings amu etc)

CoH gives you 65 @res + fade + natural resist + torch (can be random) + charms, rings, amu. Enough for survive conviction.

IAS breakpoints looks great when you count it, but either IAS, damage and CB% do not really affect time of combat. IMO it is not a big difference if I do UT within 3 mins 25 sec or 4 and half minutes

Sanctuary knockback undead and break physic immune vampires. They were most irritating in UT.|||I am interested in azurewrath cause it gives sanctuary and still lets me use life tap. So what combo would you suggest? (all in phase blades)

a) Grief + azurewrath

b) Botd + azurewrath

have you tried

c) kingslayer + azurewrath?