Need help with my Frenzy barb build?

[:1]Okay, I want a build that will allow me to get through Hell mode solo with ordinary items. I'm kind of new to barbarians so I don't know much about the warcries.. but this is my build.

Warcries

1 - Howl

20 - Taunt

1 - Battle Cry

20 - War Cry -OR- 20 - Battle Orders

Combat masteries

20 - Mastery (axe or sword??)

1 - Iron Skin

1 - Natural Resistance

Combat skills

1 - Bash

20 - Double swing

1 - Double throw

20 - Frenzy

I don't know whether to have 20 War Cry or 20 Battle Orders? War Cry will give me the ability to stun/damage my enemies and then cut them down with frenzy. Battle Orders will give me boosted mana, life and stamina. What is best for a PvM frenzy barb??

All answers and tips will be highly appreciated! Thanks!!|||20 Battle Orders. War Cry is too slow for my taste.|||Well this all depends on your gear but just soloing hell that should be fine but most definatly make it 20 BO and then the rest of your skill points for def put into Shout not iron skin because it gives you more per point but having one in iron skin is fine because it will get bonuses from your equipment. Then just put points where u need them i.e. Nat Res etc.

But as for gear try and get dual life and mana leech some how because as long as you keep swinging you wont die

if you have any more questions pm me or reply to this it doesnt matter which

im a big barb fan so i hope u have fun|||BO is overrated! a mix of the two (10/10) wouldnt be all that bad. people kneejerk "20 BO!" when it's not really needed. other character classes survive just fine on 1000 life, having 2000 is nice enough, no need to go for 4000+. the last couple of barbs i've made (one was a frenzier) i either maxed BO last or dumped enough in to make the duration not too bad, then went for other skills or greater damage through synergies.|||If you are going to fight Ubers max BO. 4000 life is not too much.|||see, knee jerk reaction. that much isnt needed! if it was everyone would make barbs for ubers instead of smiters. yes, it's nice to have the buffer, but it's not necessary.|||Quote:








see, knee jerk reaction. that much isnt needed! if it was everyone would make barbs for ubers instead of smiters. yes, it's nice to have the buffer, but it's not necessary.




"Class: Amazon"

Really?

War cry is a waste of time for a frenzy barb. Once you are charged up, you want to keep frenzy charged up, and you do that by hitting and not worrying about life. Sure, it's not "necessary" to have max life on a barb, but it's not "necessary" to use a decent weapon, either. If you want to play a barb like a barb--no running away, tanking while you kill anything that gets in your way--max bo. There is no point in gimping yourself by spending points on something useless like war cry. It was fun back in .06 when you could leech with berserk. Since then, unless you are making a dedicated crier, it's about as pointless a skill as you'll find. It's also far less "necessary" than bo.

Battle cry is also pointless. You don't need it all for killing or survival. Put the point in battle command instead. Your cries ought to be BCx2, BO, & Shout, using 2x +3 WC Weapons on switch. Then go to town with frenzy. Make sure to have 1 point in Berserk for PI's, and 1 point in WW is also useful from time to time.

Finally, axes will set you up to use all of the best weapons, but swords work fine, too, if you don't aim to use beast in your off hand.|||War Cry and Battle Cry are a waste of time for a well built Frenzy Barb, as JEB has noted.

Your cries ought to be BCx2, BO, & Shout in that order, is spot on, also noted by JEB.

Pretty much all of JEB's post is correct,.

WW and Berserk though, well, I'd rather the points into more Frenzy synergies, and cast Decrepify on switch, than 2x BO stix, but hey, BO stix are very very useful when going into UberTrist.|||lets say you have +9 skills in equip.

1 WC +skills = 10 WC, stuns 2.8sec, 89-101dmg, 19mana

20 WC + skills = 29 WC, stuns 6.6sec, 271-283dmg, 38mana

lets forget WC damage, you will do probably a few K damage with weapons

only difference is 2.8sec vs 6.6 sec and 19 skill points used.

IMO 1 WC is enough for a frenzy. i also use a frenzy barb and play in a players3 game always. i WC once in a few seconds and for me it is enough to kill mobs.

i partially agree CDM (although i think BO is not overrated). if you have massive lifeleach or lifetap, you can ignore battle orders (1pt) but if you cant leach at least 500hp in each hit, i would go for max BO.

battle cry, war cry, howl etc... they are not needed to play with barb. but it is nice to have some skills for different situations. just imagine you are surrounded with dolls frenzy = RIP, howl/WC = "it is a beatiful life"|||Quote:








"Class: Amazon"

Really?




yeah, because i'm only allowed to know about zons and post in the zon forum, right? never played any other character, dont have an opinion at all, i should keep my mouth shut because i have Class: Amazon, right?

i didnt say that for this particular build that you need to scrimp on BO, what i was trying to get at was that you COULD and that i feel from lots of experience with barbs that BO isnt always needed to be maxed and that an untwinked character can gain a lot from having the freedom to max other skills.